http://www.actsofgord.com/index.html

The trials and tribulations of a canadian video game store owner. Frequently hilarious. May I suggest starting with "Gord's Finest Hour"?

*laugh* I discovered this site about 2 weeks ago just after midnight on a Saturday, and stayed up till 4am that night reading everything.

He'd be so sued in the US, but that would be a shame. He's too f'n funny.

Think of it as an extended version of "Empire Records" that takes place in a video game store.

I wonder how much of that is real and how much is a fantasy. The Canadian laws are different, but I think that assault and battery is still assault and battery.

Brush up on your laws. ;)

A physical response to an oral provaction is allowed under "reasonable response to what a reasonable person would consider reasonable."

So, slapping someone who uses directed vulgarity is just fine under the law. Pulling out a bat and breaking their arm is not.

-Gord
www.actsofgord.com

I was thinking about telling you to fuck off.

I thought it just sounded like some frustrated guys wet dreams of revenge. I have ran into more people like this who I dislike than like.

I really didn't find it that amusing - it was kind of like looking into the mind of 7th grade bully.

Chet

The guy wasn't funny. The shrieks of adults with bad credit attempting to make off with game rentals - that's funny. At least the kids have the excuse of being kids.

So, I'm too sure how slapping someone is bad.

1 - The person has already committed a crime.
2 - The person is now raising their voice and using directed vulgarities at me.

Or because the punk is under 18 and a no hoper who will never be able to afford games, I should give them a receipt and a 90 day free exchange policy because they stole the wrong game?

I'm a reflection of what I am forced to deal with. If the punk (15+) wants to raise the stakes, I'll match. Most thieves are smart enought to shut up and be thankful I'm only phoning their parents and not the police (as long as they are young).

Except the one kid who curled up into a ball and started screaming "don't beat me! Don't beat me!" That was rather odd.... I only slap thieves who use vulgatity. Why would he even consider robbing a place that he thinks beats shoplifters?

Some people's children I say.

-Gord

Just curious, when you are smacking these little kids around, do you like to think you are Charles Bronson or Clint Eastwood?

But thanks for the site. Now I know what job to look for if I ever find myself with a smacking around little boys fetish.

Chet

Y'know what? Hate is funny.

This is just one of those things - I think even less of wumpuss now... this is great to you? The idea that some little clerk can ruin someone's credit over not returning a $2 rental is ludicrous. He never seems to witness the crime himself, but don't fear!!! He knows all the minimum wage workers at the mall! They are like super heroes but with the gay costumes under their clothes and no super powers except being super childish.

For any adult to strike a 15 year old child in the face is wrong. To make a website to brag about hitting the child is just sick. This loser obviously has not grown out of his trying to impress his highschool friends stage of his life. Kicking the ass of or threatening a 15 year old is not a major feet, hell bullies their own age can manage it, an adult doing it is just not entertaining.

Below is just an example, almost everyone he attacks he has no first hand knowledge of their crime, only some buddy telling him. This guy he assults supposedly sold pot in front of his store, no really proof, just another buddy weighing in. He doesn't bother doing anything at his store, instead (as with all his stories) he lucks into the kid the next day.

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"Hey! You! Little bitch!" as Gord ran up to him and confronted him.

"Shut the fuck up!" spoke the punk in front of his friend and his friends mother.

The Gord grabbed the punk and ! Backhand against the face. "Show some respect little bitch!"

"Fuck you!"

and another backhand was delivered. "Show some respect!"

"Fuck you, you can't do that!"



"Speak when spoken to little bitch!!"

The kid finally shuts up, and the other friend's mother goes in on how I can't do that.

"Ma'am, little bitch here was selling pot in front of my store to minors. Quite frankly, I can do whatever I want to him."

"No I wasn't."



"That's for lying little bitch!"
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So he starts in hey you little bitch and decides the kid is disrespecting him when he swears back? This is not defending your property, this is assulting a child.

I stand by my first post. The stories are too fabricated, always just running into people etc. this is some little pussy bully wanna be making a wet dreams web site about not even confronting or fighting other adults, because even in his dreams he would not dare do that, but instead, he beats children. I don't know what is sicker, doing it, or pretending to do it and make a website about it.

Chet

Oh my.

"I don't know what is sicker, doing it, or pretending to do it and make a website about it."

... or coming here and telling everyone else how funny it is?

NOW can wumpus be banned? At least shunned?

Maybe "The Gord" is Gordon Lightfoot? He's Canadian and maybe he's frustrated because kids buy video games instead of his records, so he's working out fantasies about abusing children? Never did like his music.

I'm with Chet on this one. This stuff isn't funny.

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<BOOM!> Football tackle action!

I get pissed when someone makes me run,

"ARGH!!!!!!!"

I begin to throw the punk around. Into the side of the garbage bin, into the fence, into the cement wall, into the side a commercial van, back into the cement wall. And damn hard. This kid was in pain.

One hand goes up on his neck, and the other goes for his glasses to make sure he doesn't try to run.

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Not to defend the kid brutality, but how is this bit not funny?

'So when a 10 and an 11 year old try to rent it (Ninja Scroll), the Gord in his all knowing ways declines to rent to them and suggest they find a more appropriate movie.

They depart to get their father waiting in the car, and he is very unimpressed that the Gord wouldn't rent this violent movie to them.

"I don't believe I had to come in here just so they could rent a cartoon!"

Well, the movie is inappropriate for children.

"Just give me the movie."

If you want, but sir, I must warn you the movie in exceptionally violent and has material inappropriate for children.

Well he was having none of this. A cartoon is a cartoon, so he rents it and leaves�

� only to return an hour later!

"What the hell is this? You rented pornography to my kids!"'

Maybe you need to have worked an excessively lousy retail job to appreciate some of it.

Getting mad or thinking the customer is stupid - is fine. But if you notice, since an actual adult appears in your example, there is no violence. If dad was gone I am sure it would have ended;

And then I grabbed the 11 year old by the neck and told him to get the fuck out of my store, when he didn't move I slapped his head against the counter.

"You little worthless fuck, what makes you think you can rent that fucking video?"

"Respect me little bitch or I will break your fucking nose"

That sent the running from the supreme Gord!!

But of course, since there was an adult present, we just get some ironic dialogue.

Chet

True. I assumed the violence was all imaginary (who the hell throws around 14 year olds?), but I suppose not.

Chet,

While I do think some of the content there was of course "embellished" I cannot help but understand the reasoning behind his sentiment toward thieves, idiots, and lowlife.

If I were running a business and some punk came in and vandalized or stole from me, it wouldn't be like working at Walmart and having someone steal the impersonal merchandise that I was designated tender of... it would be someone reaching directly into my personal pocket and taking money out of my wallet. Then, add in the audacity to spit a "fuck you" in his face when they are confronted with the truth of their actions.

In my book, just the verbal offense alone merits a sudden and unannounced assbeating. Why? Because they're quite certain you won't do it and cocky enough to gamble on that in their ignorance. If you're prepared to talk the talk, you better be ready to take the walk. I see no fault in calling their bluff. Add to that the fact that they are a THIEF... and not a good one either.

If I keyed your car, you caught me, and I told you to eat me... would you not be inclined to raise a hand to me? It's a violation not only of your dignity, but your personal posession and livelyhood as well since you have to pay repairs - and I relate that directly to the merchandise in his store.

As for welfare idiots who feel that they can steal in the face of credit given in good faith, they deserve nothing less than the maximum inconvenience you can provide them. I spent two years in the "rent to own" industry as an account manager, and I've heard every excuse for why you won't pay me and won't return my merchandise. Granted, it belongs to the store, but it's my paycheck that suffers if the books don't close out within the "acceptable deadbeat margin".

Every first of the month, we'd get a lot of the untouchable scum of humanity walking in our front door, with a hot charge of YOUR and MY money in their pocket. Now, they weren't going to purchase the "essentials of life" which the system is designed to provide for them... no, they were there to get absolutely as much shit as we were "dumb enough" to rent to them. Further insult was that I had to DELIVER IT to them on a silver platter.

Countless are the times I had to bust my ass to hump a full living room suite, big screen TV, and other furnishings up the steps of the projects... into the waiting arms of some "welfare brood mother" who's ambition in life was to further suck my own personal income dry by dropping an ever increasing litter of young who were fated to follow in her footsteps some day... an exponential breeding cycle not unlike flies in a trash can.

It would not have offended me so, were it not so readily apparent that the monies delivered onto their doorstep monthly, from my pocket and yours, were being thrown carelessly into the wind in such a manner, while these helpless children who were powerless to choose a better fate stumbled about the unkempt home without shoes or adequate clothing... but mom and dad sure have a nice big screen TV that they will only pay a week or two on before they decide to aquire other things.

That's when the hassle starts... I have to reposess this merchandise. Often I would find a brand new living room suite tossed in the dumpster behind the projects, because they wanted to dispose of the evidence since I had hassled them for so long. Other times, I was physically threatened, and a few times attacked by these thieves... only because I asked them to either accept responsibility for their agreement with me, or return what they couldn't bother to be responsible for.

I don't like paying bills, and thus I have the sense to keep mine few. I like to spend money, so I do it in cash... after the bills are paid. That money is MINE, not yours. If I borrow money from you, claiming a great need for it, and then you witness me throw it away - would it anger you? Would you think yourself a fool to have given what you would have applied wisely to your lifestyle to someone who, because it came freely, wasted it freely?

I speak about a quite small percentage of people here... the vast majority of customers, and those dependent of assisted incomes, have adequate sense about them. However, acceptable behavior is not necessarily noteworthy behavior, when contrasted with the rare offensive exception that focuses our attention and bitters our palate toware the whole.

So, what do you do with such an individual with whom you feel basically powerless to correct their ill behavior? You simply make every opportunity to inconvenience them, thwart their attempts to "take" anyone else in the same manner, and if you can't change their ways you can at least take solace in knowing that they aren't having such a good time with your money as they'd like to... and the knowlege that you're the cause of their deserved inconvenience.

How did I finally exit the rent to own business? Well, my boss got stabbed in the back with a screwdriver on the front porch of a delinquent problem-customer's home by someone who snuck up behind him while he was knocking on the door. He made it back to the van, called me, and I was close enough to get to him and get him to the hospital far before paramedics could have done so. He had a newborn son, and nearly died that day... died... because a THIEF did not want to part with what they had stolen. I turned in my office keys that night and never looked back.

I don't think it's possible to adequately make an argument for why people of that caliber are permitted to exist, let alone establish why they deserve the same class of treatment as a person who has an ounce of pride about their character.

So, I see the issue a little differently from just "roughing up some poor punk kid who can't defend himself." Either he knows better or will in short order, and that will certainly assist in molding his future behavior into a more socially acceptable form. There is so little respect amongst people in our society it would seem, until you encounter someone who truly embodies a level of disrespect that makes you realize that everybody else is "pretty ok by that standard."

Welfare guy threatening you as you repo his stereo vs 13 year old kid stealing a $2 game.

Yes. Both should be met with maxium violence. You are right, I solve every problem with extreme violence. That mother fucker at McDonald's short changed me by .10 - that is .10 I worked for! That I slave for! He said it was an accident, well fuck him! Then he gave me two nickels instead of a dime! The disrepect. I am going to wait outside McDonalds tonight and beat the living shit out of him. That will teach him to pocket my .10.

No. I do not think violence is the answer, is it my fault you kept your crappy job? Is it my fault you worked in an industry that preys upon the uninformed consumer? Guess what, rent-to-own places are a scam that live on people who do not have a good control of their spending or general understanding of finances. And it came back and bit you in the ass - cry me a river.

There is only one good reason to hit a 15 year old, and that is you haven't seen your 16th birthday yet.

Chet

'How did I finally exit the rent to own business? Well, my boss got stabbed in the back with a screwdriver on the front porch of a delinquent problem-customer's home by someone who snuck up behind him while he was knocking on the door.'

Man, and I thought I had a bad sequence of jobs.

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Not to defend the kid brutality, but how is this bit not funny?

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I didn't see anything funny about the site discussed here either. However, is it possible to write about the IDEA of hitting a kid in a humorous way? Sure. Witness what is known in the sci-fi writing trade as "Bradbury's Defense:"

"One dreadful boy ran up to me and said:
'That book of yours, The Martian Chronicles?'
'Yes,' I said.
'On page 92, where you have the moons of Mars rising in the East?'
'Yeah," I said.
'Nah," he said.
So I hit him."

Chet:

I don't "beat" children. I slap punks. Slapping is not beating. And slapping is not only allowed under the law, it's expected.

And the slapping is after TWO different provcations. The punk has raised the ante to the level where they get slapped.

As for the kid selling pot in front of my store? Why the hell shouldn't I have kicked the hell out of him? Here was this genetically repressed child of a welfare bum who I've already banned from my store because he tried to steal once and I knew was a pot dealer because I've already warned him that if he ever sold within sight of my store ever again, I'd kick the hell out of him.

His response was to sit right in front my store and call my bluff. Great. He called my bluff. Oh wait a minute, it wasn't a bluff at all. He should be thankful I only slapped him when he was vulgar to me. And the only reason he did think it was a bluff was because he thought he was immune.

He's lucky he was young and only got faceslapped. Had he been 17 or 18, I would have soundly kicked his ass.

Your example of beating a McDonald's employee is in error. That would be outside the scope of a "reasonable person would view as a reasonable response." Now, if the McDonald's employee then screamed profanity at you and spat in your face, then you could raise the issue of a beating.

If you're going to grasp at straws to damn me for my actions, at least make sure your examples are within the same confines of the issue.

As for ruining someone's credit record for stealing a game. Uhm, what the hell do you think a credit rating is for? It's to track your credit!

I've gone, given someone a $50 item, and they refused to bring it back. Then after the collection company was invovled, they refused to pay them as well. They were then warned that if they did not pay, it would go on their credit record and it will remain there for six years.

I'm the bad guy because they stole a game and were warned that unless they paid me, their credit rating would be ruined and they still refuse to pay? So, that makes them A BAD CREDIT RISK! Gee, that's how the system works! I gave them credit, they abused it, and then they can't get credit ever again! Oh no! How exactly is this my fault?

And for the record, Blockbuster or any other video store does the exact same thing. This should not be new information.

Raife:

That "kid" was 17 and 5' 10". And he was dressed in full retarded homey gear and had been stealing MY stuff. If someone like that walked into your home and stole something pricey of yours, and then ran, what would you do?

"Please stop, and learn the errors of your ways! Stop, or I'll say stop again!"

Again, the ante was raised by them. At least I only threw him against the walls instead of kicking his ass.

Aszurom has it right. These punks are stealing MY stuff. Mine, and this comes right out of MY pocket. Why the hell should I not do what the law expressly says I can do? It's an expected consiquence of their actions.

-Gord

Well, it's good to see we have a new QT3 reader, at least. ;0

>If someone like that walked into your home and stole something pricey of yours, and then ran, what would you do?

I dunno, call the cops?

>>I don't know what is sicker, doing it, or pretending to do it and make a website about it.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not sure how I can understand your offense with this site in light of your "Daddy's Hand" website.

http://www.daddyshand.com

Just so we're clear:

"Joke" websites about slapping kids, not funny.

"Joke" websites about fathers "touching" their daughters, funny.

Is that about right?

Is his site a joke? He seems to keep wanting us to think it isn't.

What is funnier though steve, responding to what someone posts, or making up what someone posted and then running away when they ask you to show them their supposed posts?

I just like that Canada is such a progressive nation that they have finally recognized the importance of the video game clerk. Its great to see they have deputized this fighter for justice, what else can I say but - Best Deputy Ever.

Chet

This is why I'm no longer dealing with the public... I decided to apply my talents to being a sysadmin instead. Now, I no longer feel the need to resort to violence, I just calmly delete their home directory.

While I support the idea of justice -- even if it requires violence -- I really think some of that was overboard. Bouncing a kid off the walls just isn't right, ever. Some of the other situations were pretty well-handled, I thought, though.

And I love the idea of the sign - "# of days since manager has had to deal with idiots." Would there EVER be a non-zero up there??

Some good stuff, but I agree that some of those cases are pretty over-the-top.

First - it's obvious that the guy is making most of this stuff up. Wanting to look like a "Big Man." Sad. I want one of the stories to have him slapping a kid, acting tough, and then the kid's dad taps him on the shoulder from behind - and the kid's dad is Raphael Salvatore. (If you know Raphael, you know this is a major "oh shit" moment.)

Second: I teach my children, over and over, you can't control what other people do, but you can control, and are responsible for, your reaction to what other people do.

One of the jobs I had when I was grad school was working in a jewelry store in a mall. Everyone should have to work retail in a mall at some point in their life. There were some times that I sure wanted to kick some punk's hiney. I found other ways to deal with the situation. Including a kid who tried to steal a gold chain by stuffing it in his mouth when he thought I wasn't looking (and then replied, when I told him to spit it out on a paper towel and then clean it, "I ummmpphhh gt nnnn chnnnn n m mfff!")

My opinion: the guy's a wussy, fantasizing on-line about what he'd like to do. Sad.

Jeff said: Everyone should have to work retail in a mall at some point in their life.

I agree. And everyone should have to work in food services at least once too. Retail jobs teach about how to deal with people, and also the value of hard work.

"I want one of the stories to have himslapping a kid, acting tough, and then the kid's dad taps him on the shoulder frfom behind - and the kid's dad is Raphael Salvatore. (If you know Raphael, you know this is a major 'oh shit' moment.)"

That might be scary, but it would be a LOT worse if the kid's dad turned out to be Raphael Liberatore.

I dunno...I read through the Gord Annoyances and most of that seemed to be on the level. I don't think you guys criticising this are even remotely familiar with the rental business. Game rentals are even worse than movie rentals which I was a part of as a clerk and then manager for some 5 years. I also worked an EB as a manager for 2 years. These stories ring true. Obviously, in the US we can't slap people (though oftentimes we should be able to), but what these people ask of Gord and what they try to get away with is commonplace. I was kind of glad to see an independent store that doesn't stand for that shit.

You have to realize, Gord is probably still losing games and money to others he hasn't caught.

Oh and Chet...where's this imaginary line that indicates something is worth getting bad credit over? You seem to think games you rent for $5 aren't worth more than that. You know as well as I do that the $5 game actually cost $40 to put on the shelf for rental. Gord doesn't make dick on that game until it's paid off. That's 8 rentals which for many games is kinda tough to get to. If you do make it there, then you only start making your profits then.

I don't think you understand rental very well and are focusing on the slapping instead of the bigger issue. People take advantage of retailers because they think they're owed something. That's garbage.

--Dave

Earth to Dave Long: RETAILERS DON'T GET TO SLAP PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE IT, EVEN IF THEY ARE PART OF THE LONG AND NOBLE HISTORY OF CANADIAN VIDEO GAME RENTAL SPECIALISTS.

"Understanding rental" has not a fuc*ing thing to do with this imbecile's behavior/perspective.

(Let me guess -- you have to have kids to understand?)

A charge on your credit report from a flunky video game store means nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Sorry that is the way it is Dave, but it is. Credit ratings look at loans student/car/home first. Then credit cards from visa,mc etc. Then dept store credit then utiltilites. Your little rental charge is below that and everything below mc/visa is almost always ignored.

Not returning a video game does not show your ability or inability to be lent money and then handle the repaying of that money. The little video game store also does not have a world wide set procedure for handling problems. A credit card company, car loan, home loan etc - will not care about that charge, they would not risk being sued for refusing you credit when the charge is from some flunky like gord who might just have a vendetta.

I have $500+ on my credit rating from a utility company in New Orleans, The City of Cleveland, and BMG music. It has not affected my ability to get credit cards, home loan or car loans. It is not an imaginary line, it is how credit works.

And he thinks it can affect a minor? Who is he kidding, a minor cannot be bound to a rental contract. Which is another reason I think this is BS. What have your rented recently that you have not first secured with a credit card? What can a minor rent? Gord is either a complete moron, full of shit, or both.

Chet

Guess again Chet. We used a collection service at the video store. They put three videos that were never returned on one fellow's credit report. That man then threatened to sue the store for doing so because he couldn't get a loan. It probably depends who it is you're dealing with and what type of loan you're going for. But I guarantee you that it works and it pisses people off.

Whatever you want to think is fine by me though. I'm pretty sick and tired of consumers thinking they own these stores. People treat all retail establishments with a contempt that I find abhorrent and it's one reason I hope I never, EVER, have to work in retail again and will do my best not to do so. Sure, this guy might be over the top. But you know what? If more retailers took a harder line with their customers, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Whoever coined the term "the customer is always right" should be shot.

As for the minors renting, they are undoubtedly on Dad's or Mom's account. That means the parents are responsible for their consumption. Gord can stick it to them if the kid defaults on his rental contract.

--Dave

"If more retailers took a harder line with their customers, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Whoever coined the term "the customer is always right" should be shot."

There's a harder line and there's slapping kids. The latter just cannot be justified unless it's truly in self defense.

Anyway, the Gord stories read more like deranged Walter Mitty wish fulfillment stories than something that really happened. If this Gord fellow really is beating on kids, one of these days he's going to lock up and walk out to his car and get jumped in the parking lot.

'A charge on your credit report from a flunky video game store means nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Sorry that is the way it is Dave, but it is. Credit ratings look at loans student/car/home first. Then credit cards from visa,mc etc. Then dept store credit then utiltilites. Your little rental charge is below that and everything below mc/visa is almost always ignored.'

Credit and check guarentee agencies use a scoring system based on income/debt ratio, with offsets for outstanding unpaid balances, large multipliers for collections in the last thirty days, etc., etc. A $50 charge from a video store may only be 10 points on a 1000 point scale, but if it's the 10 points that pushes you from "approve" to "don't," or jumps you into a higher interest rate bracket, well, that's the breaks. Tiny unpaid charges by themselves have little influence unless you're a borderline debt/income case anyway, but varying agencies do use different models.

If you can't pay your game rental bills that makes you slightly less likely, statistically, to be the kind of person who always makes your car payments.

Now, the agencies should be a lot more customer-responsive than they are right now (they're amazingly pre-80s), but that's a different issue.

I'm not advocating slapping kids. Though fifteen year olds aren't exactly "kids" either today are they? Especially those that are stealing games in plain sight...

That's just a small part of the site from what I saw. Those Gord Annoyances...read those. That stuff would happen DAILY to me in retail. Anyone looking at that who worked in retail has seen those same questions and scams.

--Dave

"That might be scary, but it would be a LOT worse if the kid's dad turned out to be Raphael Liberatore"

LOL! Thanks, Bruce, that's what I get for trying to post in a hurry while grabbing stuff to catch a plane. Sheesh. Sorry, Raphael (Lib, not Sav ;) )

Scarier still... if his dad turned out to be Raphael... the FUCKING NINJA TURTLE. Oh, man your ass would be toast!

I appreciate that Dave Long worked in retail and that customers are annoying. I worked in retail too, and he's right.

I've also been a customer. And you know what? People who work in retail are a million times more annoying than customers.

I repressed the "slap" urge at Babbages or other geek outlets many a time.
-Andrew

Another thing about the credit record thing is that often I'll be the only credit on there.


History: 1 item.

xx/xx/xxxx - Class 10 - Gamer's Edge - $124.
(followed by contact information for the collection company)

Class 10 means refuses to pay, and that I've given up on being paid directory so I'have had to outsource collecting. That's VERY bad.

And a lot of people who steal games are 18-22 because they're young and stupid. Then when they decide they want that new car/stereo/credit card they apply.

Most places will go "hmm... outstanding debt, it's still NOT paid, and they were the only people to give you credit."

And then they will say "sorry, goodbye." An active collection on your credit record is the mark of the devil when you're young and it's the only thing on there.

-Gord

That almost sounds as bad as being slapped by a pseudomacho videogame rental clerk.

Yes, between putting things on their credit record and slapping kids around, you truly are a powerful man. We all stand in awe. We should send you into the mountains of Afghanistan to administer justice to Bin Ladin.

Where is all this hate coming from? You are all intelligent courteous people. What's going on?

I understand being down on the "slapping kids" part (I think it is to some extent misunderstanding of the definition of "kid".)

However, I don't understand all this ripping on Gord about the credit ratings. You think people who steal from someone that they entered into a contract with should have unblemished credit? Credit ratings are to track exactly this sort of thing. They are untrustworthy people. They are credit risks. I don't get why people are down on that.

I think it is to some extent misunderstanding of the definition of "kid".


Slams grade 10 kid into wall,Being nearly a foot taller than the kid running, As he approaches the young thief

Yep, misunderstanding. Same with people posting Gord is not actually being violent, and gord coming here and insisting he is.

I was ripping on the idea of his super powers. I really like that he mentions in every other story about taking down peoples credit cards and making them show Id to rent etc, yet he never seems to be able to collect that way.

I don't think Gord is very bright. Though I have to give him credit for thinking he made up the name Gamer's Edge. That's good stuff.

Chet

Sweet. I invoke the name of Gord, Gord appears. This has potential.

If Gord was terribly bright he'd probably have found a line of work that didn't frustrate him so.

The level of disdain and annoyance present in his writing would make sense if he was Hunter Thompson on a roll about Watergate but, really, Gord reminds me more of the comics shop guy from The Simpsons - with a violent streak if those stories about beating up kids are accurate. It's not hard to see that, writing conceit or reality, he's compensating really hard for something with his Gord=God routine.

"Worst kid-slapping EVER!"

The stories are just the highlights of the pact. On average, I have 20 to 30 games rented and 3 systems going out on any given day. That's a lot of rentals. Plus I'll end up meeting from 50 to 100 people a day in discussing potential or pending transactions.

Of this, I get a couple (or more) incidents per day that are of issue. These are the ones I consider adding to the web page. Not a lot.

Plus I lose about 3 to 5 games a month to theft by people not returning rented games. It's not really a financial issue as that's $200 a month at the most, and I'm making $2000 (usually 70 to 80 games are out at any given time) in rentals. Of which, usually one game stolen is a credit card that I just bill.

The overwhelming majority of my time is just fine. But I have taken up being exceptionally more vigilante in dealing with the intellectually challenged. When they steal something, they are stealing from me. If you were losing $200 a month, you'd be very angry. ;)

But I don't take it personally as it's part of doing business, so I just do things like sue them, mock them, and destroy their credit. If they don't want me to lash out and take them down, don't steal my stuff.

And remember, slapping is not the same as punching, and it's perfectly legal and EXPECTED under the law. Slapping someone who insulted you with vulgarity was common up until recently in North American culture.

As for the outbreaks of violence, it happens at best twice a year. I just don't take crap from people. And using vulgarity back as a response is just a waste because they are just going to repeat the same line over and over.

I'm just doing what needs to be done to punks. And society agrees with me. If you don't, that's too bad. Reasonable people can disagree.

I imagine I would care less if I didn't own the place, but since I do I take a more proactive role in it's survival.

I find the example of "what if their dad was there" to be quite funny. If a punk stole something and his dad was there, I would note that he should take steps to control his son. Should that be met with hostility, I would note that under the law he would qualify as an accomplice and would also be charged as a shoplifter if he doesn't resolve the issue.

Adults as a rule can be reasoned with. Or they only use vulgarity from a distance. They are smart enough not to yell at someone bigger than them when they are within arms reach. ;)

Perhaps I should change the phrase "kids" to "young adults" to make it more logical. I refer to anyone under 20 as a "kid."

I slap young adults who use profanity at me.

-Gord

Everytime gord posts, I just think I am not reading enough into his stories, with every post he is making himself look like a bigger and bigger asshole.


-Slapping someone who insulted you with vulgarity was common up until recently in North American culture.

-I slap young adults who use profanity at me.

I call adults who do that pathetic pussies. Why don't you challenge kids to a duel? That used to be acceptable.

Chet

I think Chet needs a good slapping.

I admire Gord's directness, personally. You have to realize that this stuff is directed towards people who are being dicks. Lesson: don't be a dick. That seems reasonable to me. It's not like the guy is doing this to random strangers on the street-- although that would be really funny.

"I'm pissed off
but I'm too polite
when people break in the McDonald's line
Mom and Dad you made me so uptight
Gonna cuss on the mic tonight"

http://www.fmaynard.com/benfolds/rts_lyrics.html

"Maybe "The Gord" is Gordon Lightfoot?"

Hey, glad I paged through the thread a second time. I almost missed this on the first readthrough, Mark. ROFL. Sundown, indeed.

Also. I'm very disappointed that Chet now thinks less of me. Here, Chet. As a peace offering, I'm throwing in a whole row of your favorite ASCII character: the noble dash.

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Too funny. Reminds me of the ng actually, somehow when games are involved all the stops come out.

So.. is there a consensus on fear as good/necessary?

*smacks head into table repeatedly*

well, Gord or no Gord, I'm all for backhanding a socially unacceptable knucklehead when they need it. To me, it's not an issue of age or whatever... that's distorting the issue as far as I'm concerned. A slap in the kisser is several things... least of which is the physical component. I consider it a "humbleness inducer" and the sting of humiliation and realization that someone isn't going to quietly put up with your sass lasts MUCH longer than the physical component of the punishment. It's pretty startling too, and generally makes your point when nothing else will.

Nope, anybody from 8 to 80 can play... just like it says on the Milton Bradley box. It's a contest of wills... an immature attitude of trying to prove their superiority by adopting a stance of "I can say or do anything to you and you are powerless" and the reality that some people don't play that. Some people never cease to require parenting, no matter their age.

"[Slapping is] pretty startling too, and generally makes your point when nothing else will."

And hey, so does a gunshot. Why not shoot the kids? That'll sure fuck up their parents' credit rating when they have to pay for an expensive funeral.

Games are a deadly serious business. Cops are wimps. Don't call de cops when you can lay the smackdown on a 12-year-old personally -- it's almost legally defensible, and helps exercise those childhood wedgie traumas. Plus they don't fight back like adults.

I wish more girls played games... She-it. It sure would be cool to read about jailbait girls getting bitch-slapped by this guy... The stories could even be cross-posted to alt.girls.young.erotic.gord-slapping.

Distorting the issue - you are changing the issue, the issue as described on gord's page very much has to do with hitting children.

Anyone who has to walk around demanding respect from strangers, probably doesn't have a reason to be respected.

Chet

I find it difficult to believe that someone who is such an avid proponent of killing terrorists, would somehow get queasy at the prospect of mild physical discipline being applied to children.

Is it because they are children? Should children never be physically punished? How very new age of you. Are you one of those 90's new age kind of guys who feels it's OK to cry? Are you crying right now while clutching your serenity crystal charm? I don't know, I'm just asking.

Or, maybe it's because he is physically punishing SOMEONE ELSE'S children. Is that wrong? It's not like these kids were just minding their own business and Gord jumped out from behind a stack of N64 cartridges and cold-cocked them. They were being dicks. Their own parents should have been disciplining them. If your child was a guest in someone else's house and acted completely out of line when you weren't around to do anything about it, is it OK for the host to take some kind of action? I think it CAN be.

So I guess what it comes down to is this: do you believe Gord had sufficient provocation to merit this kind of physical action? I do. The guy is severe-- maybe even a martinet-- but he seems cold and logical, not at all a hothead. I mean, Jesus, look at his website. It's like Rain Man's little notebook of traumas. "September 11, 1999. Someone grabbed and pulled and hurt my neck. And tried to steal a video game." So when he says he gives the kids several warnings, I believe him. There is a serious method to the madness.

I guess maybe some of you are too old to remember high school, but that left one indelible image with me: kids can be bona-fide assholes, too. It's not like we're punishing that cute little rosy-cheeked kid with the glasses from Jerry Maguire. We're punishing those punk-ass hoodlums in high school that used to bring knives and drugs to school.

Gords lucky he is in Canada... i dont know how some "kids" in the US would feel like. The same kids that killed those kids at Columbine... kids are NUTS!

NOW if this was Afghanistan, that kid would have his HANDS CUT OFF!

What a wonderful world!

etc

"I guess maybe some of you are too old to remember high school."

No, we remember it. The difference is, we've grown out of it.

This thread has really brought out some sick fucks. I'm going to shower.

-Tom

"We're punishing those punk-ass hoodlums in high school that used to bring knives and drugs to school."

Fascinating use of the first-person, there, Wumpus.

I have no idea who this Gord guy even is! Im guessing he hit some kid for being rude?

etc

oh just read the thread and a little of that webpage... i think most game store owners/cashiers ive seen are pretty uptight. Same with comic book store owners. I dont know, but you have to reason with "asshole" kids instead of hitting them. Because eventually someone will come back to hit YOU! you dont want that now do you? unless its a bar and your drunk and your an angry man when your sober AND drunk type... aye whatever.

etc

"No, we remember it. The difference is, we've grown out of it."

Unfortunately, the kids in question have not. I suppose we can be the Ghandi to their Osama Bin Laden, but I'm not sure they'd be able to appreciate that, Tom.

I dunno. I wouldn't choose to use this method myself-- probably because I'm a big, fat wuss-- but it seems to work for Gord. I don't think his use of mild physical discipline was unreasonable in the context of the stories he posted. (shrug)

It's funny how all of this gets minimalized to 'He's just slapping kids who misbehave. Why are you people such boobs?'

Heh, ok. He slaps them, and tackles them, and beats them silly. If that's not just all some elaborate falsification to cover up his whiny, meek inner squid. So if it's true, oh, but they obviously deserve it because they are from that murky underbelly of society that regularly spits out small, developing humanoids.

Vengeance is mine, for I am the game store terminator. Your credit is terminated. I slap you in the name of the mighty cred-it-or. And because you have bad breath.

Then I'll tackle you because you're on my super seekrit boob list. Then I'll beat on you because it is within the awesome game store powers vested in me by the Canadian Government. Be proud, little 15-year old, I beat you in the name of Canada!

You sorry fuck.

Then I'll write about it all on my lowlife website because I'm so cool. I can slap and beat up kids, feel my timbre. Oh, and there's some stuff in there about how dumb people are, too.


- Raife

"No, we remember [High School]. The difference is, we've grown out of it."

"Unfortunately, the kids in question have not."

Duh. That's why they're "kids." The idiocy of the knee-jerk troll.

"Oh, and there's some stuff in there about how dumb people are, too."

People are dumb. I have to wade through knee-deep stupidity every time I go outside.

"Then I'll write about it all on my lowlife website because I'm so cool. I can slap and beat up kids, feel my timbre. Oh, and there's some stuff in there about how dumb people are, too."

Again. We are not talking about the cherubic little 8-year old kid from Jerry Maguire here, folks. We're talking about kids WHO SHOULD BE OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW BETTER. Say, the ages from 14-20.

And let's see. How old were those kids who got rifles and started shooting people at their school? Should those kids not be physically punished, either?

I dunno, from where I sit, being a "child" doesn't automatically make physical punishment a taboo. Maybe from age 12 or lower, but I don't think the kids he was talking about were that young.

And then there's beating up fetuses, which is clearly unacceptable.

"People are dumb. I have to wade through knee-deep stupidity every time I go outside."

Heck, why go outside? We can find it right here on these boards! Present company excepted of course.

"I dunno, from where I sit, being a "child" doesn't automatically make physical punishment a taboo. Maybe from age 12 or lower, but I don't think the kids he was talking about were that young."

Slapping or punching a kid, for snotty language and attitude, is not acceptable behavior. You're not responsible for their behavior, but adults are responsible for their response to behavior. You want to kick them out of your store - cool. You want to call the cops to help you kick them out of the store - cool. You want to walk up to a 15 year old kid and slap him, you've got a problem. You aren't their parent. If they hit you, you can hit back, otherwise you have to learn to handle it like an adult. A concept that is apparently beyond the ken of some folks here.

I didn't see anything about slapping a six foot 35 year old man in there. Wonder why? I guess all the adults are perfectly mannered?

You want to pretend to be bad, put on a uniform and head to the mountains of Afghanistan.

Raife, I enjoyed your post.
I'll quickly side with the anti-Gord squad here. I also don't believe any of it is true.

Desslock? If you'd deign to post in this thread (and I don't blame you for not doing so), as a Canadian lawyer, it's as illegal there as it is here to hit a minor, isn't it?

-Andrew

Hi... i've read The Gord's site.. i got it about 8 in the morning at work and it kept me amused till lunchtime... this is one of the funniest sites i've seen...ever. i was actually the first one to send it to wumpuss. I admire Gord... kids these days don't have the common sense or intelligence of a bag of rocks. these punks all deserve what they get. if they are too stupid to learn that stealing is dumb, well maybe an asskicking by the gord will help them learn a little better. Like lower animals, maybe negative reinforcement works.

"want to kick them out of your store - cool."

And if that involves physical force?

"You want to call the cops to help you kick them out of the store - cool."

Because the cops have NOTHING better to do, and would LOVE to come to your store and help you out with this little problem. Uh, yeah. Plus the likelihood of the kid being there when they show up? Nil.

"You want to walk up to a 15 year old kid and slap him"

Only after repeated, direct provocation. Not just 'walking up to', as in some kid on the street. Though, again, that would be hilarious. As long as I wasn't that kid. Or the adult. But within sight range.

Once in 1993, I was at a stop light in a relatively unpopulated are of Boulder, CO at about 11pm. As I pulled up to the light, there were two cars in front of me. For some reason, the drivers must have done something to piss each other off. As I drove up, they were getting out of their vehicles and literally facing off in the deserted street, in classic pugilist style. I was tired. I wanted to go home. I didn't want to deal with these clowns. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. So I rolled down my window and yelled as loud as I could "GET BACK IN YOUR DAMN CARS!". Both stopped, sheepishly looked at this 21 year old kid staring at them incredulously from his car, and shuffled back to their vehicles.

Like I said. Hilarious.

"you've got a problem. You aren't their parent."

But sometimes the PARENTS aren't the parents, either. If you catch my drift.

"If they hit you, you can hit back, otherwise you have to learn to handle it like an adult."

I see your point, and as I said earlier, it's not an approach *I* would use. However. If you accept the use of mild physical punishment on one's own children, then it doesn't seem unreasonable to consider these tales proxy parenting for kids whose parents can't or won't control their own brood. Because god knows there is no shortage of shitty parents.

I just find it amusing-- these punk kids yelling "you can't do that!", because they've clearly learned that they are immune to any kind of real consequences for their actions.

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I find it difficult to believe that someone who is such an avid proponent of killing terrorists, would somehow get queasy at the prospect of mild physical discipline being applied to children.

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I wish Bin Laden were 12 years old; we could send Gord in there to settle this thing once and for all.

"Kids: gord beats up to make himself feel like a man."

I don't agree with that characterization. You feel the 'kids' are blameless in this exchange? I disagree. These *young adults* are just as responsible as adults for their actions. Honestly, does it take a rocket scientist to know that stealing is wrong? Or that selling pot in front of the guy's store is wrong?

"And why do you think some loser who runs a video game store should parent other people's children."

I think it's admirable that at least one guy took it upon himself to act as a proxy parent if the biologicals can't or won't. Like Dee Snyder, he's not going to take it any more. Who I am also a fan of. For the third time, it's NOT the route I would have chosen. It's not even the route I would recommend, mostly because I am a giant candyass. But I admire his chutzpah.

"What is more pathetic than a guy who makes a wet dream web site about beating up children? His cheerleaders."

Mostly, I think it's funny. Almost as funny as your site (which Steve pointed out above), http://www.daddyshand.com . This one's even more amusing, though, because it's real.

Jason Cross said earlier: hate is funny. He was kidding. I'm not. I would think a guy who runs the type of sites you do would be able to get this. The irony is so thick and loamy in here we could start growing plants in it, farmer Chet!

"Because the cops have NOTHING better to do, and would LOVE to come to your store and help you out with this little problem."

And it's their JOB. You're being a MORON.

"I just find it amusing-- these punk kids yelling "you can't do that!", because they've clearly learned that they are immune to any kind of real consequences for their actions."

Another indication that the guy's making this stuff up. The reponse of any kid who's 5'10" and with the kind of attitude this guy's relating would not be "Oh, sniffle, you can't do that!" - they would hit back. And the irony is that THEY would be justified - when someone physically assaults you, you have the right to physically defend yourself.

"Because the cops have NOTHING better to do, and would LOVE to come to your store and help you out with this little problem."

Yeah - if the kids are doing what he says, selling pot, stealing, being so disruptive that you can't ignore them, they will gladly and quickly help you out. That's ninety percent of the type of thing they handle. And retail stores are high on their list. When I was in grad school I worked in a retail store, and the cops were always very quick to come help, even if you weren't quite sure if you needed them.

As for being a substitute parent - get real. Slapping a kid for attitude isn't parenting, substitute or not. Ask any parent on this board (including myself.) Don't try to make crap up to defend some guy who's obviously making crap up to make himself feel like a big guy, in such a juvenile manner.

Hello all this board was brought to my attention this morning. I originally sent AoG to my brother ratchild who in turn sent it to Wumpus. I fell wholely responsible for this ugly exchange let me clear things up a bit. I've worked food service and retail, I've been the management and the bottom guy. I've been threatened by parents who were upset i sent their worthless child home early and said worthless child stood out in the cold for an hour. Her father wanted to beat me up because his child was too stupid to understand the concept of cold and warm. Unfortunately when i agreed violence was the only way i could appease his anger he suddenly wanted to talk. Forementioned father also brought his mentally challenged teenage son as backup. In other instances people have threaten me with violence because i refused the use of the bathroom being that since they weren't buying anything they weren't really customers which the sign on the door indicated the bathrrom was for. People we live in a world full of idiots and like the president said "you are either with us or with the idiots". The Gord has apparently had his share in a short period of time, teen age boys being his main customer and teen age boys being the largest group of idiots on the face of this planet. I currently do tech support for a hard drive company. I also deal with a large amount of challenged induviduals on a daily basis. The Gord has struck out violently in a few instances it would seem, If the Gord had crossed the line he would be in jail perhaps. Often a hard slap acts as CPR to the part of the brain where common sense resides. Gord is not beating his wife nor is gord making incestious websites (daddyshand.com ? Has the FBI been to your house looking for kiddie porn yet ? freak...) As i was saying Gord has had some incidents. no one seems to bring up the one where the high school pricipal offers to leave the gord alone in the room with the one punk, thats right the guy with the PhD in some kind of education knows the value of an asswhipping for a punk, hopefully it activates their common sense and saves them from something far worse later. Gord lives in the real world, I live in the real world sometimes a slap is required sometimes numerous cruise missles. The gord has not injured anything but teenage pride. The gord amuses me. If you do not like the gord do not read his exploits. Perchance the idiots remind you of a younger you and that is why you defend them?

I suggest Goard create a message board on his site as a way to keep all his retail fruitcake buddys in one place. He can just give wumpus an honary membership.

Gord is good. Gord should be respected. All hail Gord. Why? Because aside from some of the spell checker errors, he casts a very funny and "right the hell on" perspective on situations that happen more often than people know.
Is he accurate? Absolutely. I had a friend that worked in one of these stores. The kids that frequented them were the worst kind. They tried to get away with anything and everything. Most of the time the person working the counter was apathetic or lacked the power to do anything about it.
Gord is the owner, and with power comes an expected level of corruption. If I owned the store and a kid tried to steal from me and threw out some comments to boot, you bet I would go after him. Some lessons should be learned the hard way, and Gord deals the vengeance with fairness and justification.
Until you have a kid with a giant chip on his shoulder pop off to you in a public place, don't judge the Gord. His dream was to own a game store, and when he found out that the dream had a dark and annoying side to it, he responded accordingly.
Maybe the people who responded negatively to his site were picked on by Gord-like people earlier in life, or maybe they just don't have the balls to jump the counter and run the kid down, not really sure.
I leave you with this quote: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." It's a commonly misquoted Bible passage. It means treat others how you would like to be treated. This applies in all situations, including crime and insolence.
Looking in hindsight: If I were that young and popped off to an adult, or tried to steal from them, I would EXPECT someone to kick my ass. Anything less and I would have felt empowered, gone in the next day, and done it again.

Mike Sargent: "Maybe the people who responded negatively to his site were picked on by Gord-like people earlier in life, or maybe they just don't have the balls to jump the counter and run the kid down"

More likely, the people who respond positively to this are the ones who don't have balls, so they get off vicariously by reading about it.

Man, I am amazed that anybody would defend this Gordian Knothead. Here's a grown man who chases some petty thief down to his school, kidnaps him with the help of a teenage accomplice, scares him into pissing his pants and brags about it on the internet.

You know, I think he must be making this stuff up otherwise the cops coming to his store wouldn't be merely interested in his game trading policies.

"More likely, the people who respond positively to this are the ones who don't have balls, so they get off vicariously by reading about it"

I just enlisted six years in the Army, I've bullied and stood up to bullies. I've defended myself at traffic lights from drunks with a bad case of road rage and i've never backed down from anyone or thing. If i owned a business i would do whatever it takes to defend it and keep my business running. I once got beat down for teaching a lesson on the virtues of not taking advantage of young girls. Never fight 2 guys at once is what i learned that night. I'm sure they'll think twice next time because their actions had repercusions. I really wish you people would stop defending a couple of teenage punk thieves. I'm sure if any one of them broke into your car and stole all of your cd's you'd be the last one to want to sit down and talk to them about why stealing is wrong.

"You know, I think he must be making this stuff up otherwise the cops coming to his store wouldn't be merely interested in his game trading policies. "

I want to meet the kid that says to a cop " I stole this game from a store and the owner slapped me silly" For he would truly be a stupid child. It kind of like when someone breaks into a drug dealer's house and steals his money and drugs...he doesn't call the cops because what he was doing is more illegal then what just happened to him. I'm sure if Gord wanted to he could of followed the kid home and broken into his house and stolen (is it really stealing if its yours?) his own games back. I'm not sure if most of the people responding are American but if you didn't know its still legal for teachers to practice corporal punishment in MOST of the 50 states. They just choose not to because its such an obvious hassle.

I would bet my life's savings that gord has never even raised his voice to a single customer in his entire life, let alone struck anyone. I would also wager that Gord has been a petty shoplifter at some point in his life. This thing pretty much screams of an immature individual projecting his inner demons onto others (or in this case the Internet).

Anyone who buys into his shit has got to be a moron. My case in point: Wumpus.

"I'm not sure if most of the people responding are American but if you didn't know its still legal for teachers to practice corporal punishment in MOST of the 50 states. They just choose not to because its such an obvious hassle."

My other case in point: Jon Sharp

Jon Sharp writes:

"I've bullied"

Your parents must be very proud. They raised themselves a big, strong bully boy who takes lunch money from little kids. So, did you wear camoflage pants or a basic skinhead ensemble with Doc Martens and suspenders?


"Never fight 2 guys at once is what i learned that night."

That, and never fight anyone who isn't ten years younger and 2 feet smaller.

"I'm not sure if most of the people responding are American but if you didn't know its still legal for teachers to practice corporal punishment in MOST of the 50 states. They just choose not to because its such an obvious hassle."


My other case in point: Jon Sharp

I'm just stating as Gord did that he is well within the rights "the Law" provides him. Still not sure why everyone in this board seems to be pro-petty theft. I'm sure you were all very misuderstood well into your early 20's. Please don't hurt my feelings anymore...hehe please.

Amazing. Not the Gord site, which is merely a recitation of what we all know goes on in retail establishments, with a lot of maybe-real-maybe-fake accounts of vigilante behavior, but the discussion here.

I'm reminded of the old saw, "everyone wants a dictatorship, as long as they can be the dicator." Everyone loves the idea of rough and ready instant justice, as long as they are the one making the decision. The reason we don't, as a society, endorse such behavior is that one man's "justice" is often another man's (or men's) crime. We decided, as a society, a long time ago that we'd rather rely on a codified set of rules (laws) and duly appointed and authorized representatives of society (police, the courts) to interpret and apply them. We traded instant gratification for the expectation--and more often than not, the reality--of a more measured, effective, and equitable form of social management.

We all have fantasies of being The Man With No Name or Dirty Harry or Arnold or Chuck Norris and kicking ass and taking names. That's fine--it helps us deal with the reality of being essentially powerless in many of our daily travails. When people cross the line and try to make these fantasies real, though, in almost every case "bad things" happen. Oh, sure, we're all convinced that we know what's good and what's bad, who's guilty and who's innocent, but we've been wrong often enough that as a collectivity we've come to accept the need for innovations like juries and courts of law.

I have no earthly idea whether this Gord stuff is true or made up, nor do I really care. I do find it fascinating though that some folks seem to think the correct way to handle workplace problems, from a societal standpoint, is to allow each and every person in a position of authority--commercial or otherwise--to be judge, jury, and executioner on their own whim.

Sounds like a recipe for some, um, interesting times if you know what I mean.

"Anyone who buys into his shit has got to be a moron. My case in point: Wumpus."

A knee-jerk reaction that we should never use mild physical punishment on young adults is just as short-sighted in my opinion.

Sure, you don't want to get into a situation where you're slapping your kid every day for some trivial thing. At that point it loses its shock value and becomes expected. Maybe even abuse. Which is bad. But if something exceptional happens, that calls for exceptional punishments. To rule this out as an arbitrary rule just smacks of new age incense burning bullshit to me.

You guys are losing focus. Here's what Gord said:

"As for the outbreaks of violence, it happens at best twice a year. I just don't take crap from people. And using vulgarity back as a response is just a waste because they are just going to repeat the same line over and over."

TWICE. A. YEAR. People. Like I said: sometimes extreme situations call for extreme responses. Part of the value of the response is in its rarity-- it's shocking because you hardly ever see it. And I'd hesitate to call slapping some young adult "extreme". Maybe in an X-games sort of way, I suppose.

For example, as a young adult (maybe 15?) my mom once slapped me because I said something extraordiarily rude to her. It was shocking. It hurt. And she was completely justified.

But hey, guys, please don't let the facts get in the way of your rousing rendition of Whitney Houston's "Greatest Love of All". Let's send this one out to the kids everywhere: "I believe that children are the future.. teach them well and let them lead the way.. show them all the beauty they possess inside.." sniff.

wow... sgt buttfuque... you mom must be proud too... anyhow the point here is why are you all making personal attacks on people you don't know?
how can you say that someone who agrees with smacking punkass thieves around a little has no balls? wumpuss may have no balls, but i tend to disagree with the fact that anyone else who has posted in favor of Gords antics hasn't any. I would think Mark Sargent and Jon Sharp have a more realistic view of the world. it is a screwed up place. if a guy wants slap some punk kid for stealing, so be it. i'm sure if he wanted to do more, he would move to Iran and go and cut a thief's hand off instead. because that's what happens to theives there. remember that kid who got caned in singapore for graffiti? same thing. Kids these days got no respect cause they're never held responsible for their actions. i applaud Gord for trying to teach these kids a lesson

Did you read through his stories? The guy is a sick fuck that really needs some professional help. This isn't just slapping some kid - he gets off on tossing them around and humiliating them. That story about tracking a kid down at the school and abducting him is on the site! Hello?

Which is the lesser of evils here?

Reread Bob's post with the thinking cap accessory firmly affixed to the pointy part of your cranium. Let it marinate for a while. Wait for the lightbulb to go off.

"I have no earthly idea whether this Gord stuff is true or made up, nor do I really care. I do find it fascinating though that some folks seem to think the correct way to handle workplace problems, from a societal standpoint, is to allow each and every person in a position of authority--commercial or otherwise--to be judge, jury, and executioner on their own whim."

Well said, Bob. However, what you said doesn't seem to be consistent with the law as I understand it. If I can shoot dead (or at least wound) a criminal that comes into my home, and be protected under the law-- how does that fit into your text above?

Part of Gord's subtext is protecting HIS store that he's worked so hard to build. Furthermore, we aren't talking about shooting people here. We're talking about TWICE A YEAR, slapping a young adult after direct, repeated provocation in extreme circumstances. Big whoop.

Although it would be even funnier if Gord was a Blockbuster employee who acted like this. I think that could be a major motion picture starring David Spade.

Your parents must be very proud. They raised themselves a big, strong bully boy who takes lunch money from little kids. So, did you wear camoflage pants or a basic skinhead ensemble with Doc Martens and suspenders?

Oh look what happened I wasn't clear and someone assumed i was running a racket on small children. Unfortunately I was refering to times when a younger sibling was being oprressed. When i would stand up for them to their "punk ass" comtempoaries it is viewed as bullying , but it gets the job done.

"That, and never fight anyone who isn't ten years younger and 2 feet smaller."

That makes sense if you are a cowardly little girl ... bully does not imply a fight either i'm afraid ... simple intimidation.

http://www.actsofgord.com/page25.html

There's the story you're referring to. Is it over the line? It's certainly close to the line, I'll give you that. It's farther than 99% of people would go.

But here's the clincher: WAS ANYONE HURT in this story? Nope. In fact, I think a lesson was learned: stealing has consequences. And then, this:

"At this time the principal arrived and took all involved to his office and settled the issue. Thief suspended from school, parents called, etc. "

And that seems to be a worthwhile lesson for the future of said young adult.

Wumpus, you're either the supreme troll, or you believe what you're saying and are indeed an idiot.

Some kid swears at you, as this guy says. Swearing back isn't an option, because he'd just swear back. So you hit him. You think that's acceptable? Someone uses language and attitude you don't like, you have the right to hit them? Or that there is some magic number of times a year that it's OK? If someone, of any age, is stealing, you call the cops and have him arrested. If he's swearing, you ignore him or have the cops throw him out.

That is about as good a description of immaturity as I can imagine. I watched a soccer game this year that my son played in. He's 15. He and another kid collided pretty hard going up for a header. The other kid had been pushing and swearing at him all game. When they came down in a pile, the other kid jumped up, got into my son's face, and started screaming vulgarities. Before the ref could get over to them, my son just smiled, turned his back and walked away. That's maturity - he had no feelings that he had to prove anything to the kid or his teammates. He just wasn't going to let some punk kid control his behavior.

Oh - lest you think my son is a wussie: I had to have a meeting with the principal at the high school earlier this year. Apparently, in the parking lot, some senior guy started beating on his 9th grade girlfriend. My son was waiting for a ride, walked over and told the guy (who was a foot taller than my son) to stop, immediately. According to the witnesses in the meeting with the principal, the punk started swinging at my son, who blocked his punches a couple of times, the put the guy on the ground with a pretty crushed nose (my son just tested for his black belt in Tae Kwan Do and is pretty quick.)

For some reason I think some here are condeming violence while others say it is justified at times. It is a personal choice and one not made lightly. I doubt Gord "gets off" on beating the 2 punk kids a year. If he did I'm sure he would have started a gang instead of opened a gaming store. I'm also sure Gord does really enjoy the beatings, but likes to embellish the story of how it went down. The only weird thing Gord is guilty of is referring to himself in third person, but again this is done to set the mood for the stories as told by the "Almighty Prophet" himself.
How can you hate the Gord?

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Oh - lest you think my son is a wussie: I had to have a meeting with the principal at the high school earlier this year. Apparently, in the parking lot, some senior guy started beating on his 9th grade girlfriend. My son was waiting for a ride, walked over and told the guy (who was a foot taller than my son) to stop, immediately. According to the witnesses in the meeting with the principal, the punk started swinging at my son, who blocked his punches a couple of times, the put the guy on the ground with a pretty crushed nose (my son just tested for his black belt in Tae Kwan Do and is pretty quick.)

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"Before the ref could get over to them, my son just smiled, turned his back and walked away. That's maturity - he had no feelings that he had to prove anything to the kid or his teammates. He just wasn't going to let some punk kid control his behavior."

If this is such a good and noble precept-- and it is-- then why not apply it to our response to the terrorist attacks? Why not just turn our backs on the terrorists and refuse to acknowledge them? Wouldn't that be the better thing to do? Fight hate with love and all that rot?

Because, in the real world, this approach doesn't always work. It CAN work. But knowing when to use each approach is part of the greyscale of life. Some people only respond to escalation.

In fact, I think it's incredibly naive to assume that this "nobler than thou" approach will work in every situation you'll encounter in your life. I do agree that it's better to err on the side of caution rather than risk needless escalation, but then...

"Oh - lest you think my son is a wussie:"

Here's the part where you acknowledge what I've been saying all along. Sometimes these kinds of things can be necessary and even a positive response, properly framed.

Not that Gord's responses were always proper. In my opinion, they frequently were. You may have a different opinion. Fine, we can agree to disagree.

Most of all, I take exception to the presumption that use of force to resolve situations is AUTOMATICALLY, ALWAYS a bad thing. It's simply not true, and you'll send your kids out into the world defenseless if you teach them that. To be avoided? Yes, of course. Ruled out completely? No.

Violence is only justified as a deterrence to violence. April (the young girl) had a bloody nose, a scratch down her face that required stitches, and a black eye. They guy hitting her was about six feet tall. My 5'6" son intervened to stop this violence (enough that the guy doing it got to know the local cops pretty well). He told the guy to stop, and the punk turned on my son. Daniel then defended himself, and the young girl, by taking the guy down.

If you don't see the difference between that a kid swearing and showing attitude, I give up.

"If this is such a good and noble precept-- and it is-- then why not apply it to our response to the terrorist attacks? Why not just turn our backs on the terrorists and refuse to acknowledge them? Wouldn't that be the better thing to do? Fight hate with love and all that rot?"

I give up on you Wump. You are either terminally stupid, or... terminally stupid.

A kid swearing and showing attitude versus an attack on a nation killing thousands and threatening to do more as long as they have the ability. You can't discern between the two.

"Violence is only justified as a deterrence to violence."

It's not an issue of "who used violence first"-- some people only respond to escalation. Once you get to a certain point in the situation, some kind of physical action is inevitable, otherwise you're basically backing down. And slapping is quite mild. Haven't you guys ever seen that video clip of two guys sitting across from a table, ritualistically slapping each other? Not exactly the Thrilla from Manilla, there.

"If you don't see the difference between that a kid swearing and showing attitude, I give up."

If you don't see the difference between that and slapping a kid on the face twice a year under the most extreme provocation, then I give up, too.

Some kid swears at you, as this guy says. Swearing back isn't an option, because he'd just swear back. So you hit him. You think that's acceptable? Someone uses language and attitude you don't like, you have the right to hit them? Or that there is some magic number of times a year that it's OK? If someone, of any age, is stealing, you call the cops and have him arrested. If he's swearing, you ignore him or have the cops throw him out.

It seems you have again left out the intial theft part ... Gord is not a vigilante roaming the streets. The foul language is a second strike against the perp. Standing there name calling with the punk will not solve Gord's security issues. Call the cops ?!? Will the theif stand there and wait with Gord for the cops to show up? Will the officers throw all their available manpower into recovery of Gord's games? Or perhaps where you live you dial 911 and the police, like magic appear and wave the criminal-be-gone wand? As far as i know Gord does not play soccer, his Canadian heritage would imply hockey but who can be sure about one as mysterious as he. Your son can obviously use his brain and activate his common sense. It shows you are also a good parent and have raised him in some way correctly. If your boy had him on the ground why was he also crushing his nose ? A bit excessive but the crime deserves the punishment. Gord while not defending some nameless girl is defending his livelihood. A simple slap as opposed to crushing someone's nose. Who is right or wrong Gord or your boy? Both of them are right. Its the only point i am pressing. If your son started a page about his misadventures someone would have a problem with the way he did things. We think Gord is Funny because we take it for face value. Gord is not a child violence advocate does everyone at least agree on that?

I won't give up on either of you guys.

"You can't discern between the two."

I don't think the Bible discriminates between these two situations, either. That's the ideal we're striving for-- the challenge to love those who hate us.

It's unrealistic. Laughably so. That's my point. Some people can only be reached through escalation.

We'd all be better off if extremists ran video game stores and just smacked kids instead of plotting the deaths of thousands...I agree.

The law--and the social contract--make very clear the circumstances when you can defend your self and your property. Threats to life and limb, actual or reasonably expected, justify defensive action on your part. If the threat is severe enough, you can in some cases use deadly force. That's acting within society's definition of law and order, though. That's not "whim." No one disputes your right to defend your life. Many dispute your "right" to use violence in defense of mere property, however, and there have been cases in the US at least where overzealous store detectives (why can't we call them "house dicks" any more? That was great double entendre fodder!) have incurred lawsuits for using force against shoplifters.

It's all a matter of what society expects and accepts. That's all I'm saying. I hesitate to pass judgment on individuals when I don't know the full story, or even if the stories are real.

Maybe its because we live in a state where if someone walks in your house without your permission its ok to shot them. Not everyone does this of course but you have the right within the law. Gord stated many times that he is not in the business of losing money. I'm also very sure Gord is not making his millions selling/renting video games. Unless we all moved to the Great White North and open game stores we cannot judge him. If Gord lived in Compton I'm sure he wouldn't slap anyone, he would get shot. Or Beverly Hills becuase he would get law suits. Maybe canadian teenage boys need slapping because the cold numbs their common sense. Hopefully no one has written a senator or called a news conference and we can keep this from becoming an international incident. I'm reminded of the South Park movie.

You folks need to apply your "turn and walk away" philosophy to this thread.

This quote from Gord's account of kidnapping the child seems to sum it up:

"Look at you. You might be intimidating to a small child. But I'm not a small child. Now shut the hell up and walk away."

If only Gord had the ability to apply this keen insight to himself...

Geez.

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"If you don't see the difference between that a kid swearing and showing attitude, I give up."

If you don't see the difference between that and slapping a kid on the face twice a year under the most extreme provocation, then I give up, too.

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Being nearly a foot taller than the kid running, my strides allowed me to catch up to him in a block. He tosses the game behind a dumpster and begins screaming "I don't have the�"

<BOOM!> Football tackle action!

I get pissed when someone makes me run,

"ARGH!!!!!!!"

I begin to throw the punk around. Into the side of the garbage bin, into the fence, into the cement wall, into the side a commercial van, back into the cement wall. And damn hard. This kid was in pain.

One hand goes up on his neck, and the other goes for his glasses to make sure he doesn't try to run.

At this point he begins screaming like a little girl. Hindsight, it was because he was pinned against a wall by his neck and his glasses were just removed, so I assume he thought I was going beat his head around.

Instead I tossed him into a choking headlock and drug him back to the store. He was saying something about how he couldn't breathe, but no one understood a word he was saying. We even stopped and asked I him to speak up.

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But here's the clincher: WAS ANYONE HURT in this story? Nope. In fact, I think a lesson was learned: stealing has consequences.

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Reading the kidnapping story, it's obvious these Gord stories are fictions, lies, bullshit.

Where I come from, if an non-parental adult over school age is found on school property hanging around with school-age kids, they're in deep shit. No principal is going to threaten to leave a student alone in a room with some gamer freak on school property for purposes of getting his head beat in. For all he knows, Gord might be a sex freak looking for pubes-free, boy-toy action. Think about it; he just caught Gord making a little kid piss his pants while trying to cram the kid into his car to go who knows where. Most likely scenario: the principal calls the cops and has Gord taken in for trespassing and a warning to stay away from school property.

You mean everything Gord says isn't pure non-fiction? The Gord has embellished ? Lied even? Next you guys will be telling me I shouldn't take the Bible or Newsweek word for word either. And that means that web site i saw on aliens and ufo's may not be true either. Ususally I get all my news from www.theonion.com I might have to re-think that also. Maybe now that I think about it Gord may not have even hit any kids at all. Oh crap my whole world is falling apart, I gotta go.

"Maybe now that I think about it Gord may not have even hit any kids at all."

If that was so obvious to you Sharpie, why did you bother to go on so flatulently at such length in gord's defense, regarding how his violent actions were completely unobjectionable, and that you had engaged in similar actions?

Perhaps Gord's site should have a Disclaimer stating that it is to be used for entertainment purposes only. I'm merely intensifying the riduclous arguements against Gord and how it seems to be ok to hit some people some of the time but not for someone to assault all of the people they want to all of the time. I defended Gord's right to entertain and his use of occasional force whether real or not. And mostly I argue in hope that you idiots realize you are taking something way too seriously when it is obviosly nothing more then entertainment. Hopefully Gord will respond to all of this with story of how after stealing a second game from him he broke into a welfare family's house tied them all up and shot them execution style in their heads. I'm sure not even me or wumpus could side with him on that. Asshole.

The problem is the kids, children should bee seen and not heard

"it is obviosly nothing more then entertainment"

If it is fiction, it's fiction for brainless sadists. If someone created a page all about how he loves to kill kittens or rape retarded children and how that makes him tough and cool, I'm still going to hate the son of a bitch, even if he reveals it isn't true, so long as it's obvious the site is designed to glorify such acts rather than to denounce them. If these stories aren't real, they are still wish fulfillment. I would feel differently if the Gord character in the stories were presented as the butt of the joke; i.e., if the purpose of the site were to make us laugh at how pathetic a game clerk who gets off on beating kids is. But that doesn't seem to be the agenda here. This is about a guy who thinks this stuff is cool. Real or not, it's disgusting.

Check out the following story, in which Gord brags about the enjoyment he feels ripping kids off for $50 a pop.

http://www.actsofgord.com/gord2/preview/

Ya see, these kids want mod chips that allow them to use backups, but don't want to get busted, so ask for ones that play imports. (The only mod chips I've heard of do both.) Gord knows what they really want, but purposely avoids warning them that the chip he installs won't do the job, so he can laugh in their faces after he's taken them for $50 apiece. He claims this has happened countless times, and each time he gets pleasure from refusing to refund their money and from telling the kids to get lost. Y'know, if this guy really cared about doing business, you would think he would warn them ahead of time, rather than forcing his relationship with so many customers into outright hostility in this manner. (You know these kids are never going to spend money at his store again.) It's obvious he relishes causing others pain more than he cares about doing his job and making money.

When I was a kid, I would be lucky to have $100 total in a year. Some jerkoff like this in the neighborhood, laughing about how he's taken the money Grandma gave you for Christmas... What a petty dipshit.

"I'm sure not even me or wumpus could side with him on that"

Don't kid yourself. Of course you could. As for Wumpus, well, its nice to see he has such like-minded friends.

Best. Thread. Ever.

ROAD TRIP!

I vote we all take a road trip to Canada and visit Gord. He can slap Chet, then we buy a used copy of Wayne Gretzy Hockey 3D. This is Canada, after all.

Of course Agent Ape's post is completely worthless since the thing the kids want is ILLEGAL IN THE FIRST PLACE. Gord already knows the guy is going to be dishonest if he's coming into his store for a dishonest piece of hardware to allow him to play illegal CDs. Why the heck should he care if this person ever comes back in the first place? He's never going to make more money from that one person than what he'd charge to install that chip. In the link you provide, Gord sold the customer exactly what he said he was providing, a chip that lets you play games from Japan.

I think what makes people so angry while reading this is that they can't fathom a retailer that wants to make money and prevent theft. The guy doesn't watch as his inventory walks out the front door unpaid for while he gets berated daily for simply existing. This is what most retailers do in the US. They're afraid to offend anyone and you know what? There's a growing number of consumers that need to be offended.

--Dave

Wumpuss, I learned a valuable lesson in this thread. If I am ever in a discussion taking opposites sides with you - which of course would mean the right side, i just doubt ever wanting to bother with you again. I should just let you keep posting. You do more for the other point of view than anyone else ever can. Keep posting smarty.

Chet

"I think what makes people so angry while reading this is that they can't fathom a retailer that wants to make money and prevent theft."

I think what makes people so angry is that regardless of whether or not what this guy is doing is right nor not, he manages to make himself look like such a completely self-aggrandizing idiot by not only writing about it, but doing it in such a clumsy and pathetic way, that it completely negates the intended effect. He obviously wants to make himself look tough. That just makes it pathetic. Like those Goth kids that post sad photos of themselves to show how deep and philosophical they are, when they're really just depressed and don't know what else to do about it. And some otherwise intelligent people end up mistakenly turning this guy's serious emotional problems into some kind of rallying point for law and order.

I use the bathroom regularly, but I don't devote a website to it.

What a fucking stupid-ass thread.

"Of course Agent Ape's post is completely worthless since the thing the kids want is ILLEGAL IN THE FIRST PLACE."

Then he can warn them that he doesn't sell chips that play backups, in case that's what they want the chips for. As he brags on the site, he knows that's what they all really want the chips for, because he takes a moral stance against such chips. Instead he takes advantage of them and takes their money, knowing full well that he is not providing the service they are paying for. And then he gets his jollies by laughing at them afterwards, because he knows he cheated them out of $40-$50. Real cool guy. How exactly does that make him better than these "dishonest" kids?

Whoops. In the above paragraph, the phrase "because he takes a moral stance against such chips" was supposed to go after the phrase "in case that's what they want the chips for."

A little copy-and-paste error. Sorry, folks.

Saying "yes, I have chips that will let you play imported Japanese games" without mentioning the detail that they won't play backups, when you're asked "do you have chips that will play japanese games," sounds fine to me.

Just enough rope to hang yourself with and all that.

'Instead he takes advantage of them and takes their money, knowing full well that he is not providing the service they are paying for.'

The one story where he did this they supposedly never asked whether to would play pirated games. Legally, He's perfectly in the clear.

Ethically, it's a bit ambiguous.

What kills me is the fact that he'd run out of the store chasing somebody down for stealing a game.

If anybody in Canada is reading this, I have a way for you to make some money:

Go to Gord's store. Pay some punk kid (about fourteen and short -- those are the ones that Gord likes best) twenty bucks to steal a game and run. While Gord's out chasing after this kid, grab about fifteen or twenty games and calmly stroll out.

Then, pay a visit to e-bay.

"Then, pay a visit to e-bay."

And then create a website bragging about it.
That would be the perfect antidote to Gord's
site: a site by kids who've stolen games from
or uttered profanities to Gord and gotten away
with it. They could document their raids using
that L33T haxor spelling crap, and photos of
Gord running after them, huffing and puffing.

It could be called GOAD THE GORD. They
could even host a LAN party or club where they
discuss the best methods of ripping off
games from, spraypainting the store of, and
generally disrespecting Gord. (Sort of like that
scene in Seinfeld where all of the karate
students that Kramer has been beating up
corner him in an alley.)

Awesome, baby...

"This is excessive. Don't even try and tell me it's not. Did the kid deserve some kind of punishment? Perhaps. Probably, it should have been handled by the cops and his parents and other proper authorities. But, Gord opted to leave his store -- something I wouldn't do as an owner, as that's inviting MORE theft -- and, literally, beat the crap out of this kid."

For the record, the story Murph mentioned was excessive. It's the only one I felt was clearly over the line. The rest are just borderline, and most result in tangible lessons for the young adult in question. As in the "kidnapping" story that was brought up.

"It's all a matter of what society expects and accepts. That's all I'm saying. I hesitate to pass judgment on individuals when I don't know the full story, or even if the stories are real."

Bob, you're far too reasonable for this thread.

" - "

I'm surprised Chet isn't the contact listed in the DNS entry for http://www.actsofgord.com as well as http://www.daddyshand.com; I guess Portal of Evil, Inc(tm) hasn't yet realized how much more hilarious and profitable reality can be. Why settle for synthetic abuse when the real thing is right at hand, so to speak? Turn on your TV, Chet. Survivor - Big Brother - The Mole. Hell, I ought to be charging you guys a consulting fee for finding this site. My bill is in the mail.

Since you mention Portal of Evil, I'm just going
to state for the record that while I love "Old Man
Murray," I find Jeff K. over at "Something Awful"
much funnier than the asshole at "Fat Girls
with Party Hats." Both employ a faux-stupid,
semi-illiterate persona, but Jeff uses it to
abuse everyone equally (and intelligently),
while the "Fat Girls" guy seems to be one of
those frat boy types who would enjoy knocking
Stephen Hawking out of his chair then kicking
him around, making comments about how
weak and girly he is. With so many malicious,
deserving targets in the world, why target
lonely women with weight problems? What a
dick.

I can't decide which is better Gord's site or this thread ... I still don't understand why some of you have such anger towards Gord. Were you picked on or beaten as young children? Are you of such superior intelligence and upbringing that Gord's low brow humor and action infuriate you ? You seem like the kind of people that listen to or watch howard stern and then get all bent out of shape. The answer of course is don't listen to or watch howard stern or Gord. The thread initially started by Wumpus was more of a "check this out" not "This guy is awesome I want to be him" then of course the Anti Gord sounded off by insulting any Pro Gord people. Even Gord himself was drawn into the conflict. Now Chet, who is far more amused by the sexual abuse of children by their fathers is really anti Gord because of the way Gord treats thieves. Hmmmm. This boggles my mind. My mind ceases to work when i think about this. Everyone else just feels Gord is a different kind of punk for smacking thieves. And look i've even removed the imagery of those sweet lovable 16 yr old game takers by calling them thieves.Also Gord has sent me an email telling me that large women in house coats have been protesting in front of his store since Monday and asking the local authorities to investigate his alleged mistreatment of teenage boys. I hope you are all happy.

You listen to Howard Stern and did not get the Daddy's hand reference? I don't listen that often but when someone emailed it to me, I knew where it was from. I didn't bring it up because I didn't want to sound like I was taking it back, but it is in reference to a song about Robin Quivers. We couldn't use a graphic of her or anything about the show as they protect their copyrights more harshly than the RIAA.

Are those women protesters wearing hats?

I always respect people who have the nerve to back their words by posting anonymously.

Chet

News Flash !!! Gord has gone out front of his store and assaulted the many women currently protesting his treatment of teenage thieves. Fortunately the authorities were occupied elsewhere and did not witness Gord's heinous crimes against humanity. The Mounties were playing PS2 on the big screen TV it would seem, oblivious to the non-teenage ass-whupping going on outside. Also this just in, Chet is dick.
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P.S. Got the reference, it still isn't funny. just because someone is famous that doesn't mean everything they say is funny. Your not even famous so it seems nothing you say is funny, or even worthwhile. Just admit you like small children and we'll all understand.

"just because someone is famous that doesn't mean everything they say is funny."

the exception to that rule is george bush. everything he says is fawking hilarious.

We're all dirtying (is that right?) ourselves by continuing our thread but I couldn't let this bit of silliness pass:

Murph said: "Go to Gord's store. Pay some punk kid (about fourteen and short -- those are the ones that Gord likes best) twenty bucks to steal a game and run. While Gord's out chasing after this kid, grab about fifteen or twenty games and calmly stroll out."

Good plan, now what are you going to say to Gord's employees when they ask you what the hell you think you are doing? The man has an employee in the store. He's not alone. At least not all the time.

"Good plan, now what are you going to say to Gord's employees when they ask you what the hell you think you are doing?"

We're going to say nothing, just slap him upside his fool head and take the damn games. And the cash register, too. Punk ass.

Gord sux.

The only thing left to do at this point is wait for the inevitable Gord site update that will somehow reflect on this discussion.

Or.. ROAD TRIP! Anyone live in Canada? Why not give ol' Gord a visit on our behalf?

Jeff "I like to think of myself as Gord's little bitch" Atwood

wumpus sux.

You misspelled "rules".