I thought that this deserved its own thread, especially considering the topic of the thread it came up in...

---

Quote:

Can anyone here vouch for Bub's claim that a Y-Wing will beat an X-Wing in a 1v1 dogfight? I always thought it sounded kind of wacky, but he's said he can demonstrate it.

---

---

Quote:

Ion Cannons on the first pass. A mix of Ions and Blasters will crumple your sheild in just 3-4 hits. Then one ion disables you and I have almost a full minute to taunt you before atomizing your craft. The key is... um... that first pass. But I can do it. Ironically, TIEs, despite being weaker are much harder. Can't hit the bastards as easily!

---

Alliance makes my claim even easier cause you can set Ions and Blasters to firing AT THE SAME TIME. That mix rips through shields like butter.

In XvT you had to manually switch between the two gun types to keep it going.

Now, if the X pilot is lucky enough to avoid the 2-3 salvos it takes to disable him and get behind the Y... there is almost no chance for the Y to survive.

I was with the stupid LSF Squadron and we had great fun playing 2v2 battles. Teams of Y-wings and TIE Fighters, nasty little brawls.

-Andrew

I've always found X-Wings to be the Alliance's weakest ship (other than the B-Wing) in dogfights. A Y-wing could definitely take him out.

Plus, in dogfights, you definitely don't need speed. I've fought many dogfights where I didn't break 40. You can maneuver much more easily at lower speeds, allowing you to stay out of your enemy's sights.
I was 1st on Case's XvT ladder for about 3 weeks, but then I stopped playing on the ladder because people were coming on in teams and such.
I prefer the Empire's ships for dogfights - I'll take on anything in a Tie Advanced.

---

Quote:

Alliance makes my claim even easier cause you can set Ions and Blasters to firing AT THE SAME TIME. That mix rips through shields like butter.

---

Heh... yeah, I know the regular T/Is and T/Is are just as good as anything out there... I remember my brother and I taking on X-Wing teams with two T/Fs. Pretty sweet

Hmm, I just remembered that I never did finish Alliance. I kept getting stuck on the second or third part of the Death Star mission. What was the deal with making you fly all over the place doing more than what happened in the movie? My wingmates (i.e. Wedge and Tycho) always kept running into my back and killing me.

The X-Wing handles better, but I like the Y-Wing's firing pattern better. Going toe to toe is just a losing proposition for the X-Wing. If the X-Wing gets behind the Y-Wing, game over. Not so true the other way, due to the X-Wing's increased speed and maneuverability. Against cap ships, Y-Wings are the way to go, but in a dogfight I'd rather have X-Wing support.

As for X-Wings vs. TIE fighters, I used to practice that 3 vs. 9 X-Wing training drill until I could shoot down all 9 within a 3 minute window. XvT changed the flight model though, so I guess it really depends on which game you're talking about.

I'm an A-Wing guy myself. They are admittedly a bit underpowered, but you tend to stay alive longer. T/I's are a close second. As for the T/A's and T/D's, where's the challenge? *grin*

- Alan

The A-Wing rules! 'nuff said! :-)

A-Wings are nice. Can't hit a fighter with a torp. Give me a concussion missle any day!

I think it is moot to argue which fighter wins in a dog fight though, all that really matters is the skill of the pilot. The X-Wing games are pretty well balanced in that repect. It was different in Tie Fighter as there was always a more advanced ship around the corner.

Hmm. I need to go back and finish Alliance too. For the longest time my CD was trapped in a CD-ROM that died on me. Finally gave up on the warranty and dismantled it myself and rescued my game!

Brad Grenz

One of my friends had the weirdest idea for multiplyer deathmatches. His idea was to take an Assault Gunboat and load it with advanced torps (and countermeasures if they were in the game being played). He'd then transfer all power to engines, and dumb fire dual adv torps at point blank range. He figured that by the time you ran out of ammo (it held 16 I believe) you were about to die anyway. It worked pretty well if I recall correctly.

Personally, for me, A-Wings don't have enough punch for me to do well in a melee dogfight. The dual lasers just aren't enough to guarantee one shot T/F kills, and once you're past the merge getting a missile lock is too hard or just takes too long.

Am I the only one who got sick of the "You and one wingman need to inspect 50 capital ships ranging from corvette to ISD class while 4 to 6 squadrons of various TIEs chase you around" missions?

---

Quote:

The dual lasers just aren't enough to guarantee one shot T/F kills, and once you're past the merge getting a missile lock is too hard or just takes too long.

---

---

Quote:

Am I the only one who got sick of the "You and one wingman need to inspect 50 capital ships ranging from corvette to ISD class while 4 to 6 squadrons of various TIEs chase you around" missions?

---

This topic just screams "dork". I wince every time I read it in the topic list. ;)

Am I the only person who finds this vaguely reminiscent of the childhood "who would win in a fight, a lion or a bear" argument?

Star Wars fanboys!! You're all pawns of George Lucas and Jar Jar Binks! ;)

wumpus http://www.gamebasement.com

p.s. Although I have to admit, Tie Fighter was an amazing game. Being the bad guy never felt so good. The hand of the Emperor tatoos were badass.

"Am I the only person who finds this vaguely reminiscent of the childhood "who would win in a fight, a lion or a bear" argument?"

Only if there were a game where you could physically pilot a bear and a lion in a fight (and Black & White doesn't count).

Since people who've played Multiplayer X-wing and TIE Fighter have seen "lions" fight "bears" and both sides win depending on the pilot... it's not at all like the childhood argument you site.

-Andrew

"Since people who've played Multiplayer X-wing and TIE Fighter have seen "lions" fight "bears" and both sides win depending on the pilot... it's not at all like the childhood argument you site."

Wouldn't that involve playing the suck-ass X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter, though? I am a conscientious objector in that case. Especially when you could be playing the far, far superior Freespace 2.. just pretend that it's Star Wars by making R2D2 noises while you play. RED FIVE GOING IN!

wumpus http://www.gamebasement.com

---

Quote:

it's not at all like the childhood argument you site.

---

In Harvard Sq. on a Saturday night, there used to be a guy known as the Screaming Preacher, who would stand on a box, wave a bible, and tell everyone they were going to hell. This attracted a large contingent of subgenii who would collect around him and argue with him. One night, from a random person in the crowd came the shout, "Jesus versus Wolverine, who would win?"

A bit of laughter, but then a thoughtful silence from the Bob followers. Discussions start to break out. The Screaming Preacher continues preaching, but he's largely ignored, because the Subgenii have a new bone to gnaw on.

"Wolverine would just slice and dice and that would be that, man."
"But Jesus would resurrect himself and then the smiting would start."
"Could an admantium skeleton stand up to the Holy Power of God?"
"But why would Jesus smite him? It's Jesus, man! Jesus would just forgive Wolvey."

Mind boggling, and one of the deep questions of the universe.

And on-topic-- the best was a pure T/F melee, and using your flares to take out another T/F that was on your tail.

I nominate this geekiest thread EVER (on Quarter to Three.)

Though, I must say, the results surprised me. The X-wing is supposed to be the Alliance superiority fighter, and the Y-wing is primarily meant as a bomber. Not that I doubt you all, just that I was surprised.

All your small moon are belong to us...

...wait, that's no moon! It's a BASE!

Hrm. Personally, I rather liked the AWing myself. The XW was nice, but easily hit. An Awing was basically a shielded TIE. B-Wings are RIGHT OUT!

Ok, raise your hands... how many of us re-installed TIE or Alliance since this thread started?

Finally... I think Freespace2 is the bizbomb - HOWEVER, Xwing just had the atmosphere. It was more roleplay for me, because I was raised on the Incom Space Superiority Fighter and not some "yeah, whatever" freespace design craft.

---

Quote:

It was more roleplay for me, because I was raised on the Incom Space Superiority Fighter and not some "yeah, whatever" freespace design craft.

---

---

Quote:

Ok, raise your hands... how many of us re-installed TIE or Alliance since this thread started?

---

---

Quote:

Ok, raise your hands... how many of us re-installed TIE or Alliance since this thread started?

---

---

Quote:

"Myrmidon" How do you even pronounce that?

---

Ah, the dreaded "mumble-blaster"

Captain, incoming transmission... Main screen turn on!

"Mmrnmhrm"

WHAT YOU SAY?!

"Mmrnmhrm nrmhmmrh murmf"

WHAT?! I can't understand a word you're... aw, screw it. Raise shields and lock torps!

"Though, I must say, the results surprised me. The X-wing is supposed to be the Alliance superiority fighter, and the Y-wing is primarily meant as a bomber. Not that I doubt you all, just that I was surprised. "

The reason Y-Wings are stupidly effective against the "supposed to be so much better" X-Wings is.....ta da, the silly flight model of the entire X-Wing, Tie, XvT, Alliance series of games. You can stop on a dime, turn on a quarter, and engage in countless other currency-related things that snap the laws of physics into little pieces and kick them in the gut over and over.

With realistic physics, there'd actually be an *point* to going fast. Advantage: X-Wing.

As it is, I'm scaring myself typing this. I'll just head off for some bass fishing with an AK-47 to re-establish my masculinity.

"Ok, raise your hands... how many of us re-installed TIE or Alliance since this thread started?"

Hah, beat you to it. I reinstalled Alliance after getting a new videocard in January. Now, I am anxiously awaiting the X-Wing Alliance Upgrade to be completed.

And yes, this is the geekiest thread ever. I'm not sure I would limit that to Qt3.

I just went and had a LONG look at those new models. WOWZA. Make sure you look at the new gunboat - I was amazed.

Supertanker: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for posting that link. I had no idea something like that existed or was even possible. I'm having a hard time making sure my keyboard doesn't short out from the drool. Okay, maybe I'm not that excited. Now where are those Alliance discs?

Glad to be of service, as few are the places where I think it is truly appreciated. The first model I saw was the TIE, and I couldn't get over how it looked almost as good as the original movie.

I found that link in the HardOCP forums a month or so ago. Is an Xwing thread there geekier than an Xwing thread here?

This is no mere X-Wing thread. This is an X-WING VS. Y-WING thread.

Big difference.

wumpus http://www.gamebasement.com

Well... there's only one REAL way to know. Bub, you'd better rest up in the day or two after E3 - I'm issuing an open challenge. My X-wing, your Y-wing, dense asteroid field.

Let's say Wednesday or Thursday the week after the show? I've got to head to N. Carolina the following week, so if you can't make the first week, you've got to wait 2 more.

I'll go easy on you.

Aszurom

Why the dense asteroid field?

Answer: Advantage X-Wing.

-Andrew